Comments on: The Cynefin Framework and (the Complexity of) Classroom Instruction http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301 why we learn Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:02:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: ajc http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301&cpage=1#comment-18238 ajc Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:02:38 +0000 http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301#comment-18238 Paul, Thanks fornthe post. Of course you can use what I have here. Paul,

Thanks fornthe post. Of course you can use what I have here.

]]> By: Paul Anderson http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301&cpage=1#comment-18237 Paul Anderson Thu, 08 Jul 2010 01:08:53 +0000 http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301#comment-18237 Hi Andrew, First clas work David. I too have taught at MBA level and have been caught between that desire to challenge & provoke thought and insight v the need to pass students who believe they have paid $$ and bought and MBA and want to be spoon fed. I have been following Cynefin and the many variations and insights that others take on David's work. I'm currently very interested in linking Cynefin to decision-making, learning and leadership at Board of Director level having studied the AICD course recently and now on n4p boards. Do I have you permission to link your expansion of the Cynefin model into that arena. Not sue where I'm going with it but will site your work. How have you linked disorder and collapse. I know in the clasroom the disorder that comes from different groups of students with different learning styles & expectation levels, and the total collapse of confidence in the lecturer (not in my case :-))for whatever reason akin to a loss of confidence in the Chairman of the Board. Cheers Paul Anderson Hi Andrew,
First clas work David. I too have taught at MBA level and have been caught between that desire to challenge & provoke thought and insight v the need to pass students who believe they have paid $$ and bought and MBA and want to be spoon fed.
I have been following Cynefin and the many variations and insights that others take on David’s work. I’m currently very interested in linking Cynefin to decision-making, learning and leadership at Board of Director level having studied the AICD course recently and now on n4p boards. Do I have you permission to link your expansion of the Cynefin model into that arena. Not sue where I’m going with it but will site your work.
How have you linked disorder and collapse. I know in the clasroom the disorder that comes from different groups of students with different learning styles & expectation levels, and the total collapse of confidence in the lecturer (not in my case :-) )for whatever reason akin to a loss of confidence in the Chairman of the Board.
Cheers
Paul Anderson

]]> By: Staff Development for Educators http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301&cpage=1#comment-17992 Staff Development for Educators Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:22:46 +0000 http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301#comment-17992 Enormous piece of writing! I am pleased about it. I utterly agree with you. It is being required to expand educator’s skill. Enormous piece of writing! I am pleased about it. I utterly agree with you. It is being required to expand educator’s skill.

]]> By: Mike Sivertsen http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301&cpage=1#comment-17555 Mike Sivertsen Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:38:14 +0000 http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301#comment-17555 re: "realize that “outcome-based education (unintentionally) result in educators treating complex situations as complicated" There is nothing 'unintentional' about the failure of outcome based education. It was planned this way in order to ensure a compliant population largely composed of 'intellects' dumbed down from an early age. The lack of critical thinking and the pre-occupation with a 7th grade-level news media in this country results in people being herded like sheep from one hyped event to another. John Taylor Gatto was New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991. He posted his retirement letter in the Wall Street Journal that same year, stating that he no longer wished to "hurt kids to make a living." Gatto has done more than any other individual I know to blow the whistle on the debilitating techniques used in the U.S. government school system since its Prussian-based inception. Every parent with children and anybody concerned with the state of education in this country should listen to some of his speeches and read one of his books. His insight and lessons learned from 30 years of teaching in Manhattan public schools is a warning and a condemnation of what we are doing to our children. John Taylor Gatto references: Wikipedia entry for John Taylor Gatto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto “Dumbing Us Down” book summary http://www.educationreformbooks.net/dumbing_down.htm “The Underground History of American Education” – final chapter summary http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/18s.htm MP3 audio lectures http://www.altruists.org/downloads/by_subject/others/education/ re: “realize that “outcome-based education (unintentionally) result in educators treating complex situations as complicated”

There is nothing ‘unintentional’ about the failure of outcome based education. It was planned this way in order to ensure a compliant population largely composed of ‘intellects’ dumbed down from an early age. The lack of critical thinking and the pre-occupation with a 7th grade-level news media in this country results in people being herded like sheep from one hyped event to another.

John Taylor Gatto was New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991. He posted his retirement letter in the Wall Street Journal that same year, stating that he no longer wished to “hurt kids to make a living.” Gatto has done more than any other individual I know to blow the whistle on the debilitating techniques used in the U.S. government school system since its Prussian-based inception. Every parent with children and anybody concerned with the state of education in this country should listen to some of his speeches and read one of his books. His insight and lessons learned from 30 years of teaching in Manhattan public schools is a warning and a condemnation of what we are doing to our children.

John Taylor Gatto references:
Wikipedia entry for John Taylor Gatto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto

“Dumbing Us Down” book summary
http://www.educationreformbooks.net/dumbing_down.htm

“The Underground History of American Education” – final chapter summary
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/18s.htm

MP3 audio lectures
http://www.altruists.org/downloads/by_subject/others/education/

]]> By: virginia Yonkers http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301&cpage=1#comment-17536 virginia Yonkers Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:51:45 +0000 http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301#comment-17536 In the US, at least, teacher education is being seriously impacted by federal laws that require that teachers are trained to simplify information so students can pass tests or meet "standards". You need only look at the standards (check out NY State standards at http://www.emsc.nysed.gov/ciai/standards.html) to realize that "outcome-based education (unintentionally) result in educators treating complex situations as complicated, or worse yet, simple in nature. In the case of NY state, it seems that "simple" is better. With these laws in place, it is very difficult to balance authority expectations with "sensing". This is now creeping into higher ed. A scary thought and very frustrating for us who are in the classroom (one of my recent <a href="http://connecting2theworld.blogspot.com/2010/01/should-feedback-be-anonymous.html" rel="nofollow"> posts </a> addressed this frustration. In the US, at least, teacher education is being seriously impacted by federal laws that require that teachers are trained to simplify information so students can pass tests or meet “standards”. You need only look at the standards (check out NY State standards at http://www.emsc.nysed.gov/ciai/standards.html) to realize that “outcome-based education (unintentionally) result in educators treating complex situations as complicated, or worse yet, simple in nature. In the case of NY state, it seems that “simple” is better.

With these laws in place, it is very difficult to balance authority expectations with “sensing”. This is now creeping into higher ed. A scary thought and very frustrating for us who are in the classroom (one of my recent posts addressed this frustration.

]]> By: Brett http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301&cpage=1#comment-17456 Brett Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:55:34 +0000 http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301#comment-17456 Excellent discussion of the challenges that teachers face. Your visualization of Cynefin, especially your pointing out of the dangers lurking in each of the areas, is very helpful. Excellent discussion of the challenges that teachers face. Your visualization of Cynefin, especially your pointing out of the dangers lurking in each of the areas, is very helpful.

]]> By: Ivan Webb http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301&cpage=1#comment-17326 Ivan Webb Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:56:11 +0000 http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301#comment-17326 Thanks Andrew, I have been following Dave Snowden's work for several years and I have struggled to find others, in education, with a similar interest . Looking forward to following your work. Kind regards, Ivan Webb (Tasmania) Thanks Andrew,

I have been following Dave Snowden’s work for several years and I have struggled to find others, in education, with a similar interest . Looking forward to following your work.

Kind regards,

Ivan Webb (Tasmania)

]]> By: John Wreathall http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301&cpage=1#comment-17325 John Wreathall Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:39:42 +0000 http://andrewcerniglia.com/?p=301#comment-17325 Interesting & useful representation of Cynefin. We are looking at using this in healthcare/patient safety. Your representation allows easy portability of the concept there. One thing is, the link from the graphic is broken. I have copied the png file to use with attribution, but it is low resolution. Could you please either send me a working link to the pdf mentioned or restore the link at the website? Many thanks, John Wreathall. Interesting & useful representation of Cynefin. We are looking at using this in healthcare/patient safety. Your representation allows easy portability of the concept there.

One thing is, the link from the graphic is broken. I have copied the png file to use with attribution, but it is low resolution. Could you please either send me a working link to the pdf mentioned or restore the link at the website?

Many thanks,

John Wreathall.

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